Inclusive AF Podcast: Beyond the Buzzwords—Staying Curious, Connected, and Inclusive

Hey there, Inclusive AF fam!

We’re back with an episode that dives right into the heart of what makes workplaces—and communities—truly welcoming, even while the language and labels keep changing all around us.

On our latest episode, Katee and Jackye are joined by the always wise and ever-honest Eric M. Bailey, author of The Cure for Stupidity. If you’re feeling a bit bewildered by shifting DEI terminology or frustrated by new barriers in the workplace, trust us: you’re not alone. This conversation is for you.

Here’s what we explored:

When the Words Change, But the Work Remains

Jackye and Eric open up about how organizations are renaming or avoiding “DEI,” but the core work—fostering belonging, addressing unfairness, supporting engagement—hasn’t changed. As Eric puts it, companies may shy away from saying “diversity, equity, and inclusion,” but when you dig deeper, what they want is unchanged: productive, connected, healthy teams where everyone belongs.

The Power (and Weight) of Language

Katee shares the real strain nonprofits and businesses are facing as they rewrite mission statements, avoid “banned words,” and jump through hoops just to keep their doors open or access funding. But as Eric notes, changing the words doesn’t erase the need—or the reality—of the work itself.

Unintended Consequences

The episode gets real with stories about funding being cut from essential programs and the ripple effects of shifting policies—how fear and backlash can drive decisions that do more harm than good, often in ways no one anticipated.

Curiosity and Listening as Acts of Inclusion

Eric shares memorable stories—from brain science to international travel—reminding us all that curiosity is the gateway to inclusion. Asking questions, genuinely listening, and opening yourself to someone else’s lived experience can transform relationships, workplaces, and even your own worldview.

Key Takeaways

• Curiosity > Judgment: Spend more time asking, listening, and trying to understand. You can always share your perspective, but lead with curiosity.

• Don’t Get Distracted by the Noise: The buzzwords might change, but caring for people, supporting belonging, and striving for fairness will always matter.

• Inclusivity Starts Small: Whether you’re starting a conversation at home or learning a new expression from a colleague, every act of understanding counts.

• Remember Your Why: The end goal isn’t just compliance or checking boxes—it’s making sure everyone has a seat at the table and feels safe, valued, and heard.

Final Thoughts

We might not have control over which words come in or out of political favor, but we all have influence over how we treat each other and the choices we make in our communities.

Ready for more? Want practical tips, stories you can share, and a few laughs along the way? Check out the full episode wherever you get your podcasts!

To connect further with Eric, check out his book The Cure for Stupidity.

Keep being curious, keep being kind, and remember: inclusion is so much more than a label.

With love & inclusion,
The Inclusive AF Podcast Team

P.S. Got thoughts, questions, or a story to share? Hit reply—we’d love to keep the conversation going!